The Gem and Jewelry World's foremost Resource on The Internet.
Re: [Orchid] Untreated Peruvian turquoise rough  
  [Thread Prev] [Message Prev]      [Date Index]   [Thread Index]      [Message Next] [Thread Next]
From: Derek
Date: Tue Jul 01 22:52:03 2008
 
     
========[ Invite a Friend - http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm  ]========

Excerpt from an earlier post.

    Even gem quality turquoise will absorb skin oil over time and
    darken....All turquoise is porous until stabilized, regardless of
    quality. (Which is far from impossible, and will make it easier to
    cut without cracking.) 

    Lindsay Legler (Who only likes carving and cutting stabilized or
    reconstituted stones, because they don't break or discolor ) 

    Lindsay, it seems like a strange approach to turquoise to want it
    only stabilized for the sole purpose that the color remains
    constant. If a stone cracks it's usually because it had a crack in
    it or it has been treated too roughly. Only a few stones crack
    spontaneously, like opal, that can be unstable. I made the original
    post about this material and now that I've cut quite a few cabs, I
    find that it's quite attractive and takes an excellent polish. 

    For those interested, my testing of the material shows a range of
    hardness between 4 and 5 mohs. Most is 5. Based on the responses
    I've gotten off this forum privately and publicly, I've concluded
    that this is very unusual material and not readily available.
    Several very knowledgeable people originally even voiced skepticism
    that Peruvian turquoise actually existed. But I double checked the
    source with the person who originally imported it and found that it
    was absolutely from Peru. Also one look at a photo of the finished
    stones has convinced every skeptic that it is turquoise, not a form
    of chrysocolla that is frequently called Peruvian turquoise. That
    other material is a copper ore and much darker. 

    It seems from my reading that the color of turquoise is generally
    influenced by the relative amounts of copper and iron in the stone.
    As to the color of this material, it is in the pastel ranges of blue
    and green, and tends more towards the green. It's quite vibrant in
    color and some has a nice matrix, although I've cut most pieces
    without matrix. The colors of the matrix can range from brown
    through a darkish olive green to even a bright red and some of the
    turquoise has splashes of red in it. It's also yielding some larger
    stones even up to and potentially through the 40 mm range. I have
    not yet attacked the largest pieces of rough. It also cuts some
    scenic stones. 

    As to changing color, I've cut a piece to wear myself. Before too
    long I will be able to tell if it darkens with wear. 

    If, however, it does darken by absorbing the oils from my skin, I
    will consider it rather a nice interaction between me the wearer,
    and the jewelry I choose to wear. I suspect the color will still be
    attractive. It seems that there are still a great many people who
    like the natural untreated stone, go out of their way to find it and
    pay a premium to get it. I'm also pretty certain that some of the
    harder turquoises will not take stabilizing. 

    That's why it seemed odd to have the comment that turquoise should
    be stabilized. If it does impregnate, it then becomes largely
    plastic. I may be a minority in this, but I prefer my stones to be
    stone and mostly untreated. There is something more elemental about
    that. 

    There is a wide range of what is stone these days with multiple
    treatments that go from heating to totally fake. The real problem is
    that there is way too much that is intended to deceive. To me the
    beauty in the stone is in large part that it is stone. Although I'd
    rather have all natural, alterations like heat treating and even
    irradiating still leave the finished product a stone. Heat and
    radiation are after all alterations that can actually happen in a
    natural situation, so it remains stone. That is important to me,
    though I acknowledge that it is a personal preference. 

    What should not be a preference is full disclosure of treatments. I
    think there are many reasons for that, but one of the main ones has
    to be an extremely important element in jewelry that should not be
    overlooked. That is that probably most often, the piece of jewelry
    is connected with sentiments. It is so frequently associated with an
    occasion or the commemoration of an emotional bond. 

    How many times have I seen stones that people show me that were sold
    at a relatively high price but that are not what they were said to
    be at sale. Sold through deception. Yet the person who is wearing it
    believes that it is authentic and commemorates something important
    in her life. To me somehow a deep emotional bond, bound up with a
    deception, bases the whole set of transactions, emotional and
    commercial, on inauthenticity. 

    Most people who buy turquoise do not know that it has been
    stabilized, or even worse reconstituted making it mostly plastic.
    Even worse still are those who end up with just plain fake. I prefer
    my symbols of emotion to at least be firmly planted in the truth. I
    actually like them from the earth. Of course plastic is made from
    petroleum which began it's life as a natural product. Sorry to go on
    so, I guess in the final analysis as long as there is disclosure
    customers can make up their own minds, but I prefer untreated
    turquoise. 

    Anyway, if any one wants to see a photo of this turquoise just email
    me off list. 

Derek Levin
www.gemmaker.com
____________________________________________________________________
T h e   O r c h i d   L i s t
Open Electronic Forum for Jewelry Manufacturing Methods and Procedures
____________________________________________________________________
Orchid FAQ:
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/faq.htm
Orchid Archives:
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/archive
Orchid Galleries:
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/gallery.htm
Invite a Friend:
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm
____________________________________________________________________
Tips From The Jeweler's Bench - Article Archive
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/tip_sear.htm
The Jeweler's Selected Bibliography List
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/jewelry-books
Buy Orchid Jewelry:
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/shop
____________________________________________________________________
-Unsubscribe:
-Email: orchid-request AT ganoksin.com Body=unsubscribe subject=blank
____________________________________________________________________

  Click to Visit  
     
  Navigate:  
   
  Orchid Resources:  
   Join & Post
 Invite a friend to join Orchid
 F.A.Q
 Galleries
 BenchExchange
 Orchid Message Archives [Subject Index] [Date Index]

Ganoksin now offers a number of ways for you to stay on top of the latest from Orchid!

  1. My Yahoo - Do you have a My Yahoo page? If so, you can easily read the latest Orchid posts on your personalized page by adding this feed:Add Orchid to My Yahoo!
  2. Add Orchid to myGoogle Add to my Google
  3. Read Orchid with NewsGator and Microsoft Outlook Add Orchid to Your  NewsGator
Support Orchid! - If you believe in what we're doing, you can help!

 
     
     

© Copyright 1996 - 2008, The Ganoksin Project