[Jewelry making - Article 00101] - Re: [Orchid] Jewelry design - what & where to learn

[Helen Hill]

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Dear Juliette,

    I'm really sorry my post offended you. My intent is to NEVER offend
    or upset others so please accept my apologies. Perhaps my post was
    as biased as I was saying other are. But I actually think we more in
    agreement than disagreement. 

>     The Golden Ratio has been mentionned many times in this thread. I
>     consider such 'Rule' as a valuable knowledge, but to me, it is not
>     an absolut truth but an attempt (rather successfull) to
>     understand/achieve perfection. As such the Golden Ratio is more a
>     guideline than a rule and I know some incredibly talented
>     designers who are clueless about the Golden Ratio. 

    Yes, I was the first one to mention the Golden Ratio and believe it
    or not I learned about it at design college, so I've been there and
    done that myself so do know the value of taking classes and believe
    me, if I had the available funds, I'd be the first to sign up to a
    jewellery making degree course so I'm not knocking classes at all,
    just saying that those who go to college and those who teach are
    perhaps biased and perhaps think that it is essential to learn from
    such a class. I may very well be wrong, but I was just voicing my
    observations. I will always stand corrected if I am wrong or
    misrepresent someone. 

    There are good and bad students, there are good and bad teachers. 

    Yes, I agree and I made a similar point to yours. I said that all
    methods of learning: classes; apprenticeships or being self taught,
    all produce good jewellers and bad jewellers. 

>     Great teacher are not always in a school and not always bear such
>     title, they can be craftmen, artists, engineers, they can be among
>     a great community website, they can also be childrens or they can
>     be trees or even mystical dreams... ( it's what works for you!) 

    Again, I said the same thing - that we all learn in different ways.
    Also that we are not all in a position to take classes but that does
    NOT mean that we cannot become proficient in making jewellery that
    is salable and desirable. 

>     Moreover, you praise apprenticeship, and i agree it is an
>     excellent, hands on way to learn and to get a real-life experience,
>     but it is creating more 'clones' than degree courses because an
>     apprentice will work yearlong on his master's pieces and will not
>     be asked to explore his own world and produce is own collection... 

    Yes I see your point. I'd not thought of it quite like that. But they
    are at least more prepared for life in the jewellery industry as far
    as real life skills but yes they are perhaps not given the chance to
    explore their own world. 

    And yes indeed thank goodness for Orchid. I am "self-taught" but have
    learned a vast amount of my knowledge from Orchid and its
    participants. So you could say Orchid is my teacher, which probably
    proves KPK right when he said that "the idea that you can read Orchid
    and become a jeweller is rife", and makes me look quite silly, but I
    don't mind looking silly. But I never did think I could read Orchid
    and become a jeweller, and don't really know whether his comment was
    directed at me in particular or was just general. I taught myself to
    make jewellery and was making for a few months before I even joined
    Orchid so I stand by my original opinion that such beliefs are not
    rife at all. 

    Juliette, you and I are probably more in agreement than you realise.
    

    I wasn't having a go at teachers. I was a teacher myself. I was
    merely saying that there are many different ways to learn. My
    original post was in reaction to someone who expressed an opinion
    that it was essential to attend classes to become a jeweller, and
    yet another opinion that people seem to think you can read Orchid and
    voilla you're a jeweller. I was attempting to put forward another
    perspective. Kenton understood what I was saying. 

    Sorry for treading on toes. 

Helen
UK
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