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From: jake Date: Wed Aug 08 05:07:16 2007 |
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========[ Invite a Friend - http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ]======== This is from the GIA, I will post the entire letter at the end of this. "Your observations concerning so-called nasturtium leaves or sun spangles are for all practical gemological purposes completely correct." Do not take any of this personal, as it is not intended as such. That you read something different is not surprising, however some of what you read is hardly accurate. Never just assume anything posted on the Internet is true, it may or may not be, not everything in print is true, also. I did not take offence with the tone of your post. I was put off a bit by the effort, time, and a reply takes. Not believing me is one thing, arguing that a recognized authority(s) do not know what they are talking about because someone said different is another. If you can keep an open mind perhaps you will learn something. I will start with this first, you wrote "Heating it in oil. will clarify it, but those round fractures (more commonly called "sun spangles") are a tell-tale sign that this has been done." I had thought that using the IGS (International Gem Society) as my reference would be enough. This is the exact quote, "Another popular type of inclusion are "star spangles." These internal fractures radiate from a central point. While quite attractive, most are human induced." (Meaning, not all are human induced.) Some amber contains inclusions known as sun spangles, with the appearance of nasturtium leaves, although most of this is seen in treated amber." (Again, note; not all with this is treated.) http://therossjewelrycompany.com/gemstone.cutter.atlanta.amber.html One should pay particular attention to what is on the bottom of that page, the above, "We are proud members of the following jewelry industry organizations." the reason is this, always take the word of a recognized authority. That the statement that this inclusion is always proof of treatment is in circulation is unfortunate, it is not true. At the same time seeing this, one, unless otherwise known, should assume it has in fact been treated, this would be correct most always, as said. You wrote, "Again in regards to blitsen, or sun spangled, "They don't really count as an "inclusion." At the same time only one of your reference links you used to say this disproved everything I said, had any mention to this subject at all, they in fact called it an inclusion. (There has been email between us, Dear Jake, Thank you for sharing your knowledge about sun spangles in amber.) > While clear Baltic amber (even with "spangles") is preferred by > some to amber in its natural state (which is why the heating > process is done), I doubt that naturally clear amber would ever be > treated to produce the fractures - it would be vandalism, like > intentionally cracking a flawless gem. If you had ever ordered amber (pre-cut) from a cutting house you would never had made this statement, it is in fact commonly done, as it is popular. On Baltic amber they will ask you what color (shade) then if you want high or low dome on the cabochon, they next ask if you want it blitzed. You wrote, "I don't believe that heat and pressure have much to do with the formation of amber from tree resin." This is the answer: "The complete transition from resin to amber has to have two additional factors present: heat and pressure. Heat and pressure may support the process of polymerisation and turpene evaporation but their full effect upon the formation of amber is not fully understood." http://www.gplatt.demon.co.uk/typesof.htm Here is the result of the lack of the above. "Borneo amber is of Middle Miocene age. Specimens that come from sandstone beds are dark and undoubtedly true amber (no reaction with alcohol), however specimens that come from clay beds of the same age are yellow and are copal (react with alcohol). Clearly the kind of sediment is very important in this process." http://www.gplatt.demon.co.uk/transfor.htm You wrote, "Quenching has no part in the process, " no again. I wrote that I amused that quenching (in water) did this. As this was unimportant to me I did not investigate, at the same time I would have been willing to place a small wager that this was the case, then again for all I knew for a certainly was some other liquid may have been used. Therefore I did not state it as fact. Here is the answer. "Blitzer: is the German name of artificially reflecting fissures, which develop after 'cooking clear' the amber in oil, followed by cooling in water." The Amber Dictionary- http://www.museum-albersdorf.de/BERNSTEN/LEXICON.HTM This I do take offence at, as it was basically how your letter started. "Unfortunately, most of what is written on amber comes from old references; accurate when written as far as was known, few consult later archeology findings." this was taken out of context, that is not honest. Most on the history of amber will state the oldest found is in France, dating from the Neolithic, one written later mentioned that in Cheddar England beads dating to 8,000 BC have been found. However, read this. "Worked amber dating back to 11,000 BC has been found at archeological sites in England." Again, "The earliest evidence that amber was known about, mined, and worked with in the Baltic Sea/Gdansk area dates from between 8000. (BC)" I have an archeological report, separate from this, referring to "workshops" dating from this period. Below, is what I wrote to the GIA (edited) and the response. First I do not know if this, your office, is the right place to ask, I apologize now if this question should have been directed elsewhere (to a different department). Perhaps you could help clarify something. I wrote (to a list) that, quoting Don Clark, president of the IGS (International Gem Society), Another popular type of inclusion are "star spangles." These internal fractures radiate from a central point. While quite attractive, most are human induced." (Meaning, not all are human induced.).... I feel this is of some importance as there is so much mis and dis-information circulating on the Internet as truth regarding gems in general, all of which is often repeated Response: Thank you for your e-mail to our President, Donna Baker, which has been turned over to me for a response. Amber and related younger fossil resins are one of my favorite gem materials from a micro standpoint since they give us a unique window on ecosystems from the ancient world and their fluid and gaseous inclusions also allow us to examine aspects of climate change when compared to air and atmospheric water samples collected today. Your observations concerning so-called nasturtium leaves or sun spangles are for all practical gemological purposes completely correct. As you probably know these inclusions develop in cloudy amber during the heating stage of the clarification process where countless minute bubbles migrate to the surface and escape their host when the host is sufficiently softened. A slight vacuum can help in this process if essentially clear treated amber is the goal. In many cases however, totally clarified amber is not the goal, since some feel that so-called nasturtium leaves or sun spangles look natural, and add a natural aspect to the treated material. These treatment-induced features are nothing more than discoid decrepitation halos, really no different in many respects from that those that occasionally occur in peridot and feldspars, and also in many heat-treated corundums. During the clarification process many bubbles can coalesce into one and then expand rapidly as pressure builds causing a rupture in the form of a disk. As cooling takes place the disk shrinks and wrinkles in a uniform manner producing the texture on the inner walls that, to some observers, make it look like a natural inclusion of organic origin. A great deal of fraud has resulted, either because of complete dishonesty, or through ignorance. Please note however that not all discoid inclusions in amber are the result of treatment (although, certainly the vast majority are). Most are obvious indicators of treatment, but when only one or two discoid features are present as inclusions a close microscopic inspection of the host material is required. Fluid inclusions (droplets of rain or dew) and complete arthropods or insects or insect parts, as well as any botanical inclusions do not survive the clarification process in any recognizable form. If an amber specimen that contains a discoid feature also contains any of these recognizable inclusions you can be sure it has not been treated through a clarification process. Note also that "nasturtium leaves or sun spangles" can also be induced in plastic through a similar processing (see Photoatlas of inclusions in Gemstones Volume 2 page 303), so the presence of such inclusions does not even guarantee that the host is amber. I hope this has been of some help. 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