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From: R . E . Rourke
Date: Sat Aug 04 05:50:42 2007
 
     
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    Randy. not through you as the first sample, but from a friend I got a
    tester of the organic stuff. I'd personally pitch it. It had
    separated in the tester after a 600 mile drive across the southeast
    US. It was fine before leaving NC, but by the time it got to New
    Orleans, in the back of an air conditioned car at that, ( though
    sunny) it separated. This was a surprise at least. being a polymer.
    If the organic folks want a paste they can use beeswax and any oil,
    or oily substance they would care to combine with the wax. . it
    amounts to a lip balm like textured compound and can be enhanced with
    pure essential oils or NI oils ( nature identical) - for instance the
    two cheapest oils around lemon or wintergreen (lemon having a slight
    dissolving action for cleaning oxide or scaled(calcium coated)
    metals, and wintergreen having a slight cooling action-so good as a
    bur lube or drawplate lube). then there are a host of more specific
    acting essential oils that in compound with waxes of different
    hardness, and oils of different viscosities do slightly different
    things. add in some elementals like pumice, salt, soda crystals, or
    industrial diamond powders and you have a world of different things
    that can be sold. that accomplish different things. I believe I told
    you about my "miracle" hand cleaner- a compound of vegetable
    glycerine, potassium solution, borax, fine pumice, beeswax, and oil
    of spearmint or corsican mint. it removes the greasiest machinist's
    oils and dirt of any kind, leaves hands with a renewed skin colour (
    whitens light skins and removes ashyness from dark skins), softer,
    and resistant to cracking. I have been putting it into jars for years
    and selling them for 5-10 bucks to mechanics, welders, painters, and
    a number of other tradespeople that hear about it. it began because i
    had made too much vegetable glycerine soap, and gave a welder I knew
    a jar of it then he came back the next few days for 6 more jars of
    the stuff. ridding me of the excess soap! ( then I had to remember
    how I made it, as if I write anything down!). The point is that there
    are a million products for the organic market. you didn't set out
    with that as a target market, and since it's problematic and
    compounds that are og exist. ditch it quick and keep working on your
    "brown polymer". If you recall I was quite initially enthusiastic,
    but after taking to funding sources as we discussed, they all said
    the same things. . name, smell, and labelling/packaging. you didn't
    want to change any of those things so the interest was lost. still I
    think you have a relatively marketable item, that works at least as
    good as other paste waxes out there, but is a bit less toxic. I
    highly recommend you look at downloading the perfumers workbook off
    the www. It is a world of chemical formulary and will help you
    organize your data and recipes/formulas in simple spreadsheet format
    and will correct FOR YOU proportional mistakes that may solve your OG
    formulation problem. Just plug your ingredients into the table (after
    selecting from about 1500 choices of type of product) and it will
    examine and recommend the necessary changes to make it stabilised. it
    is the best free tool out there for what you are doing without hiring
    a consultant, chemist, or sending things off to labs until it's
    right- as well as saving you what you told me was the batch cost for
    each inconsistent run. .. I worked on the tool years ago and it has
    no limitations on your using it. If, in the slight chance, one of
    your ingredients is not in the database, you will see the button
    clearly, that lets you add your own up to 500 additional
    ingredients/compounds/chemicals/elements. 

    It also saves your recipes and trials so you can go back and organize
    or compare them. Anyway, as I just sent the workbook on to another
    person ( trying a similar application to what you are trying to do) I
    was reminded of how helpful it would be to you in your pursuits, and
    then your post appeared! If you ever want to consider making a few
    changes to the original "brown polymer" don't hesitate to get in
    touch with me

R. E. Rourke
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