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From: James White Date: Fri Jan 07 21:28:42 2005 |
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========[ Invite a Friend - http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ]======== > > Also, my opinion of the legal question (though I am NOT a > > lawyer,) is that the 200 designs definitely are your legal > > property. YOU owned the copyright when you created to work, unless > > you had signed a 'work for hire' agreement with your parents. > I don't usually disagree with much you say, but I believe in > this case that if she was actually employed by her parents (i.e. > receiving a paycheck from them for her work) that the designs very > definitely belong to her parents. Unfortunately in this specific case we can't get to the for-sure correct answer without having answers to more questions which is why both of the above have big qualifiers written into them. Unfortunately I also suspect that many readers will fail to note those qualifiers and draw the WRONG general conclusions. While the first statement suggesting the original poster (OP) "owned the copyright when they created the work..." is clearly backwards, 180 degrees out of sync with the law, it's conclusion still may be, but most likely is not, correct-----but we don't have the facts to KNOW that and, in fact, the "facts" may only be determinable in court. Some general rules: The law writes sound rules---then codifies exceptions. There are always exceptions to the exceptions. Copyright and patent law are two separate bodies of law which are administratively under two different agencies, the US Patent and Trademark Office and the Copyright Office of the Library of Congress respectively. These two bodies of law work differently so a principle applied to one may not be applicable to the other---in fact it may be the exact opposite. (More on patents in a moment.) With a PDF reader you can see the entire Copyright law at http://www.copyright.gov/title17/circ92.pdf (1.4 MB or get smaller chunks at http://www.copyright.gov/title17/). To quote the first part of Section 201 "Ownership of copyright (a) Initial Ownership.=97Copyright in a work protected under this title vests initially in the author or authors of the work. The authors of a joint work are coowner of copyright in the work." That's the "sound rule" so on the face of it the creator owns the copyright---but wait, there's more! Continuing to quote from exactly where the above quote left off: "(b) Works Made for Hire.=97In the case of a work made for hire, the employer or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author for purposes of this title," That's the first of the "codified exceptions" so, if, in fact, the physical creator was working "for hire" (defined in Section 101 "A 'work made for hire' is--(1) a work prepared by an employee within the scope of his or her employment;...") as an employee then the BUSINESS owns the copyright---but wait, there's more!!! Continuing again to quote from Section 201 just where we left off before: "and, unless the parties have expressly agreed otherwise in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the rights comprised in the copyright." Bummer, an oral agreement will not suffice to convey any copyright rights so by the statements made by the OP the OP does not have any copyright rights which means they don't even have the right to make derivative works of their own creations---but wait, there's more! While an oral agreement cannot affect copyright rights it certainly can establish a contractual obligation to pay commissions or royalties to the benefit of the OP. The catch, of course, is enforcing an oral agreement. If there are witnesses other than the involved parties that would be better for the OP but they can always first try persuasion then maybe arbitration then maybe a law suit then maybe arbitration (then, of course, maybe back to court if a judgement against the BUSINESS isn't paid...)---but wait, there's still more!!! We don't know what the OP meant by "200 designs" or parties seeking out pieces of her work specifically because of her piece's "look." If that is 200 pieces or 20,000 pieces replicated from 200 designs where essentially all have the OP's distinctive "signature" "look" and customers do, in fact know the "look" comes from her rather than the BUSINESS then she may actually own her own trademark and could create additional (but not duplicate or "derivative") pieces with her "signature" "look." Many state laws would, under the principle that you cannot deprive a person of their earning power, likely support such additional pieces. But, all that said, this is clearly a situation where the services of an EXPERIENCED IP attorney will be NECESSARY ***BEFORE*** proceeding along those lines----and the OP will have to be willing to go to court if necessary. Without that willingness "right" makes no difference at all. > When an inventor invents something while working for a corporation > and while being paid for his time to do it, the corporation owns > the patent, not the inventor. This is USUALLY correct for patents but NOT due to the LAW. The LAW explicitly ONLY grants patents to the actual inventors as required by the US Constitution. Most companies therefore require that anyone working for them in a product or process creative capacity, by contract, pre-assign any patents they get (for inventions related to their company work) to the company. (A number of states have explicit laws that allow inventors working outside the company and on inventions not related to the company to own such patents. And there is some case law on the subject also.) However, even in the absence of such a pre-assignment agreement the company on whose time and/or equipment and/or with whose materials are used may still have some "shop rights" (and perhaps more) in such non-pre-assigned patents/inventions even though the inventor will retain the patent rights. "Shop rights" are generally a state law specific concept and vary from state to state but at the very least likely would permit the company the right to make and/or use the invention at least internally without interference from, or compensation to, the inventor. > That being said, however, the reality is that, legally, if no > copyrights were applied for it doesn't really matter if she wants > to just go back and duplicate the designs again. This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of Copyright law. Copyrights need NOT be "applied" for----they exist WITHOUT registration the instant a work is in a fixed form. They can be registered and that registration does give the owner more rights and power under the law and even more rights and power if the registration is done within 3 months of "publication" (whatever that means in the creation/sale of jewelry works). > It would be highly unlikely that her parents would pursue her > legally anyway if she simply started making all of the designs > again from scratch. Probably true. In fact the costs of litigation on such a matter, or just starting to explore the process, likely would exceed any possible recovery within the first few hours of planning to go to court. Undoubtedly that cost/benefit tradeoff is the major reason most jewelry does not have it's copyright REGISTERED even though copyright rights still exist and could be greater with registration. > I suspect the concept that without true copyright, designs can be > replicated, is going to ruffle a few feathers on Orchid, but I have > recently had extensive legal advice presented to me on this very > topic and unless copyrights were applied for there isn't a whole > lot anyone can do about her decision to replicate her own designs. There is no such concept as "true copyright," only copyright and registered copyright both of which are real, true, whatever you want but fully legitimate. The real catch is that without registration you cannot get statutory damages or attorney's fees on any infringement occurring before the registration unless that infringement --and actual registration -- was within 3 months of "publication" (see Chapter 4). > However I agree with you and the other respondents that the > problem here is not really copyright or the designs but how to > resolve the more general issues with her parents. Likely true---and probably messier than any dealings with copyright or trademark law. But again there are too many unknowns to give much specific useful advice. For example was the father (and/or mother) always this way or is it recent and what caused/causes it? Are there other family owners besides the parents? What is the businesses legal structure? I would think the OP should definitely talk to an IP attorney about the copyright/trademark issues above and more then make her best decision on how to proceed on those issues either consistent with or inconsistent with "family mending" actions but trying to keep the "legal" and "family" as separate as possible. James E. White Inventor, Marketer, and Author of "Will It Sell? 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