The Gem and Jewelry World's foremost Resource on The Internet.
Re: [Orchid] Copal vs Amber  
  [Thread Prev] [Message Prev]      [Date Index]   [Thread Index]      [Message Next] [Thread Next]
From: Andrew Werby
Date: Mon Nov 15 19:05:28 2004
 
     
========[ Invite a Friend - http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm  ]========

>     Copal amber and Baltic amber are considered two different things
>     because they come from different plant sources (from different
>     areas of the world) and they have different degrees of
>     polymerization. 

    I'd agree with this if you didn't use the term "copal amber". Copal
    is one thing, amber is another. 

>     Andrew suggested that "Copal is at most some hundreds of years
>     old, as opposed to amber which is millions of years old."  This is
>     not really true.  Copal often is some 500,000 to 1,500,000 years
>     old or more. 

    Often? Have you got any authority for that? Did the person who told
    you that also want to sell you some? The experts I've heard opine on
    the subject tend to prefer a much lower age for copal. The earliest
    solidly dated copal deposits I've heard of are in Japan, and are
    ~33,000 years old.  But most copal is much younger (see:
    http://www.emporia.edu/earthsci/amber/copal.htm ) . The commonly
    available Colombian material we were originally discussing is at most
    1,000 years old and most of it more recent (see
    http://www.gplatt.demon.co.uk/typesof.htm ). Kauri gum, a New Zealand
    tree resin sometimes used for ornamental objects, is somewhat older;
    10,000 to 30,000 years.  But really, the absolute age isn't the issue
    as far as its usefulness is concerned. The properties of the material
    are dissimilar enough to make even the oldest copal quite different
    from the youngest amber. George Poinar, probably the worlds foremost
    expert on amber, draws a bright line at the 1.5 million year mark -
    anything younger than that isn't amber, period.  Here's another
    reference pointing out the differences:
    http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences/Geology/webdogs/amber/copal.html ] 

>     Both Copal and Baltic can exhibit a certain "gummy-ness" when
>     carved.  You have to be careful how much heat from friction that
>     you create if you choose to try power tools; it is possible to
>     discolor and/or burn the amber with too much heat.  Hand tools work
>     well. 

    Having worked with both, I've noticed a big difference. Yes, it's
    possible to create a heat-affected zone in amber, especially if you
    use power tools too enthusiastically, but it won't turn to goo like
    copal will. 

>     As a low cost material, Copal amber is a pretty altenative to the
>     much more expensive Baltic amber. 

    Maybe for a while. But due to its greater volatility, it has a much
    more pronounced tendency to craze in the presence of oxygen, heat and
    UV exposure, making it a poor choice for jewelry purposes. 

>     (Always remember to disclose that it is Copal amber to whomever
>     purchases your pieces; that keeps everyone happy.) 

    Don't tell them it's any kind of amber - unless you're the sort of
    person who sells graphite as "young diamond" ... 

Andrew Werby
www.unitedartworks.com

____________________________________________________________________
T h e   O r c h i d   L i s t
Open Electronic Forum for Jewelry Manufacturing Methods and Procedures
____________________________________________________________________
Orchid FAQ:
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/faq.htm
Orchid Archives:
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/archive
Orchid Galleries:
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/gallery.htm
Invite a Friend:
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm
____________________________________________________________________
Tips From The Jeweler's Bench - Article Archive
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/tip_sear.htm
The Jeweler's Selected Bibliography List
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/jewelry-books
Buy Orchid Jewelry:
~ http://www.ganoksin.com/shop
____________________________________________________________________
-Unsubscribe:
-Email: orchid-request AT ganoksin.com Body=unsubscribe subject=blank
____________________________________________________________________

  Click to Visit  
     
  Navigate:  
   
  Orchid Resources:  
   Join & Post
 Invite a friend to join Orchid
 F.A.Q
 Galleries
 BenchExchange
 Orchid Message Archives [Subject Index] [Date Index]

Ganoksin now offers a number of ways for you to stay on top of the latest from Orchid!

  1. My Yahoo - Do you have a My Yahoo page? If so, you can easily read the latest Orchid posts on your personalized page by adding this feed:Add Orchid to My Yahoo!
  2. Add Orchid to myGoogle Add to my Google
  3. Read Orchid with NewsGator and Microsoft Outlook Add Orchid to Your  NewsGator
Support Orchid! - If you believe in what we're doing, you can help!

 
     
     

© Copyright 1996 - 2008, The Ganoksin Project