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From: Peter W . Rowe Date: Sun Nov 07 18:17:13 2004 |
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========[ Invite a Friend - http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ]======== > and it's great stuff, but when it comes to larger silversmithing > scale pieces, it 's hard to get the spray into certain awkward > spaces and also takes sooo much blowing. It would be such a boon if > it could just be brushed on. Kay, if you're need is for fire stain protection during annealing, and not with soldering, such as is often the case when silversmithing, where one needs to anneal frequently, you should investigate a concoction mixed up by the late Richard Thomas while he was at Cranbrook, to solve this very question. Unlike Prips, which uses both boric acid and borax, this mix, which he called "ring-a-ding" (after that bell going off in your head when you suddenly find an answer to a question). It's got two components. One is boric acid. And the other is a high tech surfactant. Plain boric acid is known to be effective for preventing fire scale when used on gold (boric acid and alcohol is a jewelers standard, after all), but has problems with silver because it doesn't adhere, and pulls away from the surface on heating. Ring-a-ding solves this with the surfactant, a material called Aerosol OT-solid, which acts to keep the boric acid as it heats up, wetting the silver surface. The mix is used by just dipping the work in it, or brushing it on. After annealing, the surface is not quite as bright as is the case with prips, but ends up slightly dusty looking, but you will not have the formation of fire stain or fire scale. It acts, for reasons I don't know, as almost an anti flux for soldering, so if you use it in conjunction with soldering operations, you have to be careful to keep it away from the joints, or the solder will not flow well there. As with prips flux, ring-a-ding is a home brew concoction, and due to the need for the surfactant, a bit more bother to make, as that's not an everyday material. Metalsmith magazine published the recipe a number of years ago (ten or fifteen?), and others here on Orchid may know it as well. There may even be some firms who now make it. At one time, C.R.Hill in Detroit mixed it up (They're just down the road from Cranbrook), but even Richard Thomas was not happy with the way they mixed it (too dilute, as a liquid, rather than a slurry), and my own single purchase of their version, back in the early 80s, also suggested that they'd got it wrong. Not sure if they still try to make it. We had it available routinely, to students, when I was in college and grad school, so I know several schools provide it in the studios. So someone out there knows the recipe... It does solve the problem of easy application, and works reasonably well so long as you can tolerate a slight loss of surface polish, which obviously is not an issue when you're just going back to hammering on a piece of metal. cheers Peter Rowe ____________________________________________________________________ T h e O r c h i d L i s t Open Electronic Forum for Jewelry Manufacturing Methods and Procedures ____________________________________________________________________ Orchid FAQ: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/faq.htm Orchid Archives: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/archive Orchid Galleries: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/gallery.htm Invite a Friend: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ____________________________________________________________________ Tips From The Jeweler's Bench - Article Archive ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/tip_sear.htm The Jeweler's Selected Bibliography List ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/jewelry-books Buy Orchid Jewelry: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/shop ____________________________________________________________________ -Unsubscribe: -Email: orchid-request AT ganoksin.com Body=unsubscribe subject=blank ____________________________________________________________________ |
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