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From: Peter W . Rowe Date: Thu Oct 07 23:14:54 2004 |
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========[ Invite a Friend - http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ]======== > You certainly make startling statements here; in my 40 > years of lapidary I never saw a "scratch" to appear on corundum > unless there was an imbedded foreign mineral there. Ask any stone setting whether they've ever noted a ruby or sapphire to develop an unfortunate "scratch" just above the edge of a bezel, if they were too aggressive with a graver or burnisher. I've done enough of those scratches myself to know this happens. In actual lapidary work you're not so likely to have the problem, since you're not generally pushing so hard with a steel point. Trust me, my friend, it happens. Anything but diamond, you can damage if Mr. Murphy's laws decide to take hold, and you're not careful. Harder stones are harder to damage, but not impossible. > And quartz will easily scratch with good steel. Well, yes. I said the same, in essence, above, where I point out that even sapphire or ruby can, in some instances, appear to be scratched by steel. So didn't you say jade would resist that scratch? Jade, both nephrite and Jadeite, are both SOFTER than quartz. But they are tougher. You might have to press harder... if your steel will actually scratch the quartz, then the same steel will surely scratch jade. I still maintain that a hardness test with your trusty pocket knife, as you suggested, is not a good and reliable proof of jade. Sure, it easily makes some separations, but your statement was a lot more of a blanket one than that. And I'll stand by my statement that, in agreement with a number of gemological authorities, using hardness tests on finished cut gems is a poor practice to be discouraged when possible. > And a needle is sufficient to make the test on a small bead with > no apparant damage to the piece. why do any damage at all? And though a bead may be easy to find some inconspicuous spot to test, I promise you that if you plan to use a hardness test on really good quality jade, even a small scratch could land you in a courtroom. Sure, your bead won't do it, but the needed tests are not that complex, and apply equally to the 25 cent bead as to the 25K imperial jade cab. > 'Guess I just don't understand those who complicate every little > matter. I've succeeded in this profession by usually sticking with > my favorite philosophy: 'keep it simple'. I'd point out that when you stick with keeping it simple to test your jade, you are relying on MUCH more than just the hardness test. You're also relying on those 40 years of experience with jade, it's appearance and nuances. Perhaps you're not giving your eyes enough credit, but you're seeing much information that helps you know what you're seeing long before pulling out that needle to check that one last factor. This works fine for you, with the experience to know what you're seeing. But posting to the list saying that all that is needed is the hardness test, might lead some neophyte to think that they, with no experience with jade, can use hardness with equal surety. And that just isn't the case. I don't suggest complicating anything beyond what is needed. Keep it simple works well, when it's appropriate. It's common knowledge that people with enough experience can, by eye alone, identify most gems. They're using the appearance of many factors of gemology, and though they're not doing formal tests, they're looking at the results those properties impart on the appearance of the gem. that takes nothing more complex than knowledge and practice and knowing what to look for. After all those years, whether you realize it or not, your eyes are enormously sophisticated testing instruments, as are your hands, knowing the feel of the stones. When, for example, I say a steel graver can scratch a sapphire, I'm not implying the steel is harder than the sapphire. I'm pointing out that not all scratches are quite the same, and without practice, the test can be confusing. Someone determined to scratch a stone with a steel tool, usually can succeed, even if the stone is harder. And some harder stones are brittle enough that causing damage with a steel tool is downright easy. Any stone setter will confirm that for you. > And you can't take a $10 "jade" necklace to a gemologist and pay > $25 for an academic ID just every day...(Which you'd be forced to > do under your suggested protocols). No, you're not forced. if you learn the proper testing methods, you can do it yourself much more easily, in only a little more time than that scratch test, and without potential damage, even small, to the stone.. My point is just that your blanket statement that all you need is a pocket knife, while true sometimes, is just too broad a statement. Knowledge is power, it's been said. Gemological training can be had from many sources, both costly and formal, or almost free, if one takes the time to find the books and study them. Once upon a time, homebrew methods and simple wisdom were fine. Nowadays, a bit more sophistication is in order. Among other things, the gem market has gotten a lot more sophisticated in terms of the fakes and frauds and stimulants offered for your consumption. Some are very good duplicates indeed. It is well worth the time to be informed and able to determine what one is dealing with, as well as willing to "punt" when a situation demands more equipment or skill than one has available. Peter ____________________________________________________________________ T h e O r c h i d L i s t Open Electronic Forum for Jewelry Manufacturing Methods and Procedures ____________________________________________________________________ Orchid FAQ: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/faq.htm Orchid Archives: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/archive Orchid Galleries: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/gallery.htm Invite a Friend: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ____________________________________________________________________ Tips From The Jeweler's Bench - Article Archive ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/tip_sear.htm The Jeweler's Selected Bibliography List ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/jewelry-books Buy Orchid Jewelry: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/shop ____________________________________________________________________ -Unsubscribe: -Email: orchid-request AT ganoksin.com Body=unsubscribe subject=blank ____________________________________________________________________ |
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