[Jewelry making - Article 00583] - Re: [Orchid] Crystal Therapy

[David Barzilay Lord of the Rings]

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    Terri, I am responding to you because I try to keep an open mind
    about these subjects, BUT, I think this thread has the potential to
    become a flame war, and I don't want to see that on Orchid. 

>     Science has not yet identified physical cellular receptors for the
>     energy people feel off of crystals.  It does not mean that they
>     don't exist. 

    I absolutely agree...they MAY exist. 

>     (assuming that you are meaning detectable by some man-made
>     machinery; not in the way something is "verified" by numerous
>     credible experiencial witnesses -- like in a court of law...). 

    Sorry, but I disagree.  Numerous credible witnesses may testify to
    the existence of something and it STILL may be TOTAL falsehood. 
    Magicians (prestidigitators) make their living doing this. I used to
    'levitate' a live person in front of 2,000 people six nights a week. 

>     because I love science, and the ability to recreate results in
>     controlled experiments is a tenet of scientific method.  I just
>     have to point to the past, and remind you that nothing is  
>     scientifically known until it is proven and scrutenized; 

    I also love science, and really dislike FALSE science, while still
    looking at all possibilities. 


>         "I can feel the energy off that crystal." "I don't feel
>     anything.") This doesn't prove or disprove the validity of personal
>     claims, it just indicates that variances exist even in accepted
>     perceptions. It would definitely be fun to do a clinical
>     double-blind test on the ability to "feel" the energy associated
>     with any particular crystal or crystals, but that is hardly what
>     you suggest. 

    MANY such carefully designed double-blind tests HAVE been done. See
    'Skeptic' magazine (which I read, and I assume that you do not.) See
    also C.S.I.C.O.P. Committee for the Investigation of Claims of the
    Paranormal. 

>     The person and experiment you cite as an example for the "test" you
>     would like to conduct was a nine year old girl creating an
>     "experiment" for her fourth grade science fair, whose parents both
>     have a vested interest in her "proving" the fallacy of Theraputic
>     Touch.  (Both parents are quite active in Anti-Theraputic Touch
>     organizations.  

    Why can't a nine year old do valid science? 

>     as if voluntary participation in Theraputic Touch were somehow
>     harmful to the participants and that they needed to be protected
>     from it?) 

    THERE is my reason for disliking pseudo-science ! Someone who relies
    on 'psychic surgery' or quack medicine can DIE of their REAL disease.
     Someone who RELIES on 'Theraputic Touch' INSTEAD of treating their
    real disease could get sicker or DIE. If they use Theraputic Touch in
    addition to allopathic medicine, I am SURE that it cannot hurt, and
    it MAY do some good. 

>     I would love to read your clinical trials.  Can you please post a
>     link, or tell me how to obtain your notes?  I only ask because you
>      have posted a link to what you consider a "real" experiment, only
>     to find that it was done by a fourth-grader. --Terri 

    As I said, that doesn't negate it.  I refer you again to SCICOP and
    "Skeptic." 

David Barzilay
Lord of the Rings
607 S Hill St Ste 850
Los Angeles, CA 90014-1718
213-488-9157


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