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From: Peter W . Rowe
Date: Sat Sep 13 23:26:47 2003
 
     
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>        Now I am stuck with chenier rings with copper inside, and am
>     wondering what I can use to etch out the copper.  I have read that
>     you can use Nitric acid, but am not sure as to the
>     proportions/recipes for this process. 

    Don't use Nitric.  While it certainly will etch the copper very
    nicely, it will etch and dissolve the silver just as quickly. 
    Instead, use sulphuric or hydrochloric.  HCL won't dissolve the
    silver, but will leave the surface slightly "smutty" looking, with a
    silver chloride surface.  (The reason it doesn't  destructively
    attack the silver is that although it DOES initially attack the
    silver, it quickly creates a thin silver chloride surface layer
    which is insoluble, sealing the surface and preventing much further
    attack.) Sulphuric, if hot and concentrated, will slowly attack the
    silver, but use it fairly dilute, and not quite so hot, and you'll be
    fine.  In that form, it's no different from your pickle solution in
    terms of it's effect on the silver.  The copper will take some time
    to etch out.    For a safer, and yet slower, etch, use ferric
    chloride, a salt of hydrochloric acid which retains the ability to
    etch/dissolve copper, though more slowly.  It's used to etch circuit
    boards. You can expect this etching process to take quite some time,
    if the silver tube/chenier has no seam that's open on the side to let
    in the acid.   If you use the actual acid (sulphuric, I assume), it
    will etch faster if it's diluted than if it's very strong. (odd, but
    that's how this works).  Any dilution from about ten percent acid to,
    I'd guess, thirty percent acid, will work.  Like I said, this is
    going to be sloooowwww, if that's properly seamed tubing.  Like,
    days.... 

>      Can anyone enlighten me?  And is there an easier process to create
>     chenier rings without having wire inside to hold their form?  

    A wire core is commonly used when drawing tube smaller in a draw
    plate, if one needs a core to define the interior size.  After
    annealing, the core can then be drawn back out. And it can be used to
    bend tube, as you did,  if the tube is open on the side,  an
    incompletely closed tube, since then the open seam on the side allows
    acid easily into the tube to etch out the copper or other core.. Then
    it's not so bad to etch out, and chain manufacturers sometimes use
    this method to form thin tubes into chain link.s  but with solid,
    seamed, tubing, you are much better off using something a lot easier
    to remove.  Sand, pitch, or one of the very low melting metals like
    babbitts or woods metal, which can be removed by simply heating the
    tube till the stuff melts and pours back out, are much better
    choices. 

Peter



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