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From: Steve Green Date: Wed Jul 02 19:54:55 2003 |
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========[ Invite a Friend - http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ]======== Dear Lee and All, It does not really matter what, where, or to who Gerry's comments were directed. What does matter though is that dubious information does not go uncontested on this public educational forum. Gerry and some others here would have us believe or suspect- "ALL GEMSTONES ARE TREATED". This is not true, and with a little knowledge one should not even be suspicious of many gems. Buying rough gem materials and mineral specimens for many years has given me some knowledge in this area. However, you do not need to be a rough buyer to have this knowledge as it is not secret, just of more interest and availability to gem cutters and mineral dealers. As I stated in previous posts (many times) I have numerous gems that are not treated at all in any way. How do I know this? I was not there when they were dug up, nor did I have my eye on them for the entire time. So how do I know this? How do I (or you) know anything? As stated befoRe: Knowledge equals Properly Justified True Belief The above are not just fancy words but an analysis of what knowledge is. Knowledge is distinct from opinion, conjecture, or prejudice. Nobody, none of you can prove everything you know. In the words of John Locke - "He that, in ordinary affairs of life, would admit of nothing but direct plain demonstration would be sure of nothing in this world but of perishing quickly." Personally, I know and believe many things which I did not personally witness. Contact with minerals, rough gems, knowledgeable people, actual mines, written materials, museums and more have given me a foundation of knowledge in this department. There are many gems for which it is well known there are no treatments. So why suspect them? Then there are many gems which could be treated but usually are not. You will have to evaluated the circumstances in this case and come to a properly justified true belief in these cases. If you do not have the knowledge, it pays to know a reputable knowledgeable dealer or person you can trust. And then there is the distinction made in a recent post of mine between the high tech treatments (radiation and ultra high temps and diffusion to change color) and the low tech treatments (heat treatment in the range of normal kilns >700 C). In my opinion this is an important distinction and all gem treatments should not be lumped together. Some are considerably more insidious than others IMO (i.e. bulk diffusion in sapphires, recent diffusion in topaz, colored dyes, irradiation, and high temp corundum treatments). The following are stones I have in my inventory that are not treated: (Remember I buy all my materials in the rough.) amber from Chiapas, chrome beryl, chrysoberyl, moonstone, labradorite, sunstone, almandine, spessartite, grossularite, andradite, iolite, nephrite, lapis-lazuli, opal, peridot, rock crystal, red and gold rutilated quartz, quartz with edenite needles, strawberry quartz, rose quartz, amethyst from Bolivia-Zambia-Brazil-Madagascar-Mexico-Uruguay-Colorado, citrine from Mozambique, smoky quartz from Colorado, chrysoprase, chrysocolla, blue chalcedony, carnelian, Montana agate, sphene, spinel, turquoise, tourmaline-most of mine are not heated, imperial topaz from Ouro Preto, cassiterite, datolite, rhodocrosite, rhodolite, demantoid form my old mine in Veracruz, yellow apatite, fire agate, most of my aquas and green beryls, phenakite, danburite, scheelite, clinohumite, all colors & locales of my tourmalines (except some of the browns from Nigeria), sphalerite, ametrine, black jade from Wyoming, charoite, sugilite, morganite, green Mali garnet, tsavorite, hessonite, Maw Sit Sit, holly blue chalcedony, moldavite, pink opal, rhodonite, Transvaal jade (hydrogrossular garnet), variscite I also have heat treated materials: Some tourmalines, some smokies, some aquas, all blue zircon, tanzanite, some citrines And irradiated materials: blue topaz, lemon citrine, "root-beer" topaz Some questionable: Heliodor I do not carry many corundums (ruby & sapphire), but the general feeling in the industry nowadays is that they are all treated with high heat, diffusion or both. Of course there are some natural gems out there. Nor do I have many emeralds which are usually well oiled under very high pressure. Sometime even with colored oil. So now that I have stated my position on the gem treatment issues for the umpteenth time and listed my natural gem inventory, I will let this comatose horse lie for awhile. Steve Green / Rough and Ready Gems (Tired of talking about gem treatments, I think I'll take a long ride on my motorbike.) www.briolettes.com ____________________________________________________________________ T h e O r c h i d L i s t Open Electronic Forum for Jewelry Manufacturing Methods and Procedures ____________________________________________________________________ Orchid FAQ: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/faq.htm Orchid Archives: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/archive Orchid Galleries: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/gallery.htm Invite a Friend: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ____________________________________________________________________ Tips From The Jeweler's Bench - Article Archive ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/tip_sear.htm The Jeweler's Selected Bibliography List ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/jewelry-books Buy Orchid Jewelry: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/shop ____________________________________________________________________ -Unsubscribe: -Email: orchid-request AT ganoksin.com Body=unsubscribe subject=blank ____________________________________________________________________ |
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