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From: Spirig_EMS Date: Sun Dec 22 21:00:25 2002 |
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========[ Invite a Friend - http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ]======== Dear Sir at Ganoksin, Dear Mr. Fischbein > I came across your recent Ganoksin response ... the density of > acetylene is 0.6181 whilst that of DRY air is 1.0 Thus acetylene is > lighter than air". John, sorry mate, .....but for the first time in the many years that I have been reading your posts, I have to disagree with you ... I have searched through the Ganoksin archive. There are numerous articles on the risks using bottled gases. The risk and danger problem circle around the key point: .. does my gas source have: (a) the potential almost unlimited outflowing gas supply in case of a leak (like a connection to a natural gas supply net) able to fill a room quickly to a concentration above the ignition point of the gas to air mixture, or (b) a source of limited supply, usually a bottle of gas (propane, acetylene, ..) and again the question, is the gas volume available from that source able to load the room or areas of it above the ignition point of the gas to air mixture or (c) the gas supply is a just-in-time gas supply, actually a gas generator producing right on users location the needed combustible gas to work with. Ignition point of the gas to air mixture (volume ratio): Acetylene: lower 1,5% / upper 80% Butane: lower 1,5 % / upper 8,5 % Propane: lower 1,9 % / upper 9,5 % Hydrogen: lower 4 % / upper 77 % These figures show that a relatively small amount of Propane or Butane in air already creates a combustible mixture. Due to the fact that Propane and Butane are heavier than air, there always will be during a leak a "sea of gas" at the lowest point and there is a diffusion zone from the "sea surface" to air running in concentration from 100% to 0% gas in air. That means there is a mixture layer not only running through the range of combustability, it also passes the region where the ignition energy needed is minimale. I does not need the "power" of an electric arc (in a switch) to ignite the mixture, a simple static discharge is enough as an ignition source. The local ignition (flame) then travels though the ignitable concentration layer and this thermal shock and turbulance then starts to mix the heavier gas with air and the released combustion energy increases exponentially. Studying the dynamic behaviour of such detonation development is most interesting, wouldn't there not always and regularly be casualties involved. There is only one rule: Gas bottles have no right to be in a closed room be it private or industry. Not following this basic law will sooner or later present the bill. Judging from a safety point of view only solutions in the (c) group should be considered to be used. Here I have to split my interests into two segments: (y) One is safety of people using gas flames, like jewellers, but also dental laboratories, hobbyists, and so on, and (z) The other is that my company produces so called Multicell Electrolysers, a patented technology used to deliver Hydrogen Gas from water and connecting to the ordinary household ac outlet. The majority of our generators, maybe even above 95% are used in industrial automation processes, like automated hi-speed soldering in power / automotive electronics assembly (GM / Delphi, Ford / Visteon, Daimler-Chrysler, and .. and .. in USA and elsewhere ), even in Semicon Back-end Assembly they are in the hundreds of systems, mostly in Asia by (Intel, Motorola, TI, ..) and by-gosh Semicon industry is the best trained industry segment handling dangereous gases. Slogan there is " if you can avoid it, then do it! WHAT surprises me in the Ganoksin discussions, nobody talks on the safe solution using JIT gas production. Maybe the electrolyzing technology is not much known in the jewellers community or the reputation of electrolysers has been badly damaged by the first single-cell systems electrolyzer introduced many years ago (25?) to the US by imports and local manufacture. Single-cells have by basic physical reasons no chance for a continued reliable operation. Our patented Multicells have opened the industrial market almost 10 years ago and there are leading automation houses in the US and abroad integrating our systems in assembly lines. If your cars ABS break system works reliably, or the air bag ignites properly, there is a high chance our microflame system Spirflame=AE is involved to produce 100% yield solder connections. Ganoksin, that was a long story for a short idea: Ganoksin seems to me the organisation with the knowledge and integrity to ignite a discussion in the jewellers community along the theme "Why is the safe JIT technology not Used or Known or Accepted"? My wish is to ignite a storm of discussions and maybe help to improve the safety awareness in the jewellers community. As discussion ignites, we will have a lot of informations to thread into this JIT theme. With best regards and my best wishes for a peaceful X-mas / New Year 2003 to All Ganoksin members. Ernest Spirig http://www.spirig.com/greetings/xmas.html Spirig Ernest http://www.spirig.com ____________________________________________________________________ T h e O r c h i d L i s t Open Electronic Forum for Jewelry Manufacturing Methods and Procedures ____________________________________________________________________ Orchid FAQ: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/faq.htm Orchid Archives: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/archive Orchid Galleries: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/gallery.htm Invite a Friend: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ____________________________________________________________________ Tips From The Jeweler's Bench - Article Archive ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/tip_sear.htm The Jeweler's Selected Bibliography List ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/jewelry-books Buy Orchid Jewelry: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/shop ____________________________________________________________________ -Unsubscribe: -Email: orchid-request AT ganoksin.com Body=unsubscribe subject=blank ____________________________________________________________________ |
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