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From: Reactive Metals
Date: Wed Dec 11 22:29:51 2002
 
     
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    Within  the last few weeks RMS has received a couple of curious
    orders. Both of which we refused. Both were from Indonesia. The
    first was for a large amount of precious metal Mokume-gane. It was
    odd in that the buyer had never ordered before and apparently had no
    experience with the material. They wished to pay via credit card,
    actually several credit cards with low limits. The cards turned out
    to be from a bank in the Dakotas. We use the credit card service
    offered through Costco. My calls to them were very well received and
    attracted prompt attention. I was immediately warned off any unknown
    purchasers from Indonesia. There is apparently a good number of
    scams coming in from that direction. They immediately called the
    bank that issued the cards. None of the cards matched the address we
    were to ship too. The real warning was this: CHARGE BACKS CAN BE
    BROUGHT AGAINST YOU FOR UP 8 YEARS AFTER THE SALE. That means the
    customer can ask for his/her money back through the credit card
    company and get it. You will see only the charge back on your bill.
    You end up out both product and cash with no recourse. The rules are
    set up to protect the buyer, not the seller. If you are uncertain
    about a customer call your credit card authorizer. They can and will
    help. When I wrote the buyer that we would only accept a money
    transfer, they disappeared over the horizon. This has happened more
    than once. The moral is, "Seller beware." Bill

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