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From: Peter W . Rowe Date: Sun May 05 03:44:10 2002 |
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========[ Invite a Friend - http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ]======== > Questions: 1. What might make an old 18k alloy smoke when melted? > I guess it is some metal burning off, but what? My guess is a higher zinc content than is normal for 18K alloys. That, combined perhaps with a higher copper content, if the alloy is rosier than usual, might easily do what you've described. > 2. What might cause the brittleness in the casting? Too slow a cooling of the metal, if it's a rose gold, can do that. Or, more seriously, if the metal is contaminated with iron, lead, tin, or some solders, you can also get brittleness. I'd suggest melting the metal with a quite reducing flame (and very good ventilation), on a standard charcoal block (hollowed out cavity thereon), and when molten, adding a pinch of ammonium chloride, which won't melt, but which will skitter around on the surface causing much blue fumes. As it does that, stir the melt with a carbon rod. repeat this, then sprinkle on some boric acid and let the button cool. The Ammonium Chloride will tend to form chlorides of baser metals, including iron, tin, lead, etc. These chlorides are insoluable in the melt, and then slag off with the flux, resulting in less contamination. It also removes zinc. The downside to this is mostly the fumes, so do it with good ventilation, or outside. I'd suggest then trying to recast it. this time try a hotter mold, and heat the metal a bit hotter too. Sounds like it wasn't fully liquid. Be sure to use a casting flux of mixed borax and boric acid, or a good commercial casting flux. The combination of the two works better than either one alone. Also, on the possibility that the casting was brittle from slow cooling, after you'ver removed it from the investment, before doing anything else, anneal it. Reheat it to a low red, then at just the point where it looses that glow, which will be around 900 degrees, quench it IN ALCOHOL, not water. This is a gentler, slower quench that water, as some alloys will tend to crack with a water quench. The alcohol quench is sufficient to keep it from age hardening as it cools. If it's still brittle, then you'll just have to be careful. In that case, cut off cast jump rings for the cross, and solder on new ones made with good wire. If the heavier cross is brittle, it might still survive, but a brittle jump ring or bail is likely to break off. When you then cast this, again be sure you've got a gentle flame (you're using natural gas or propane with oxygen, aren't you? Not oxy/acetylene, I hope? That can easily overheat your metal, also causing problems. In golds, acetylene can also cause formation of carbides if the flame is too reducing, which are hard spots in the gold...) > 3. Do you take in old gold to recast? If so, what kind of > guidelines do you use in deciding if it is appropriate for you to > accept? These rings did not seem to have solder on them. The trouble with old gold is that even if it's the right alloy, which you never know, it's not as likely to give a good casting. Usually, the cost savings for using old gold don't make up for the reduced quality of the finished piece, so the only real reasons to use old gold like this would be sentimental, not economic. I'd actually charge the same as if I were supplying the metal, and in some cases, maybe even more, since sometimes you'll have to add a bit of your own to have enough for a sprue, which is then scrap you won't want to reuse again, but will have to sell the customer, or scrap out. Customers should be warned that the finished casting will almost certainly have more porosity than normal, in some cases it can be quite serious, more spongy and full of holes than they'd expect. That's what you tell em. Along with possible brittleness and other casting faults. If they then still want to proceed, they've been warned. And though you've told them to expect porosity and crappy castings, as often as not, they turn out somewhat better than that, and sometimes are just fine. Depends on the alloy and your luck that day. If they're told there are risks up front, then no matter how bad it turns out, they've been warned, and any success is better than they may have been led to expect. > 4. What should I tell the clients to make them feel better about > this little disaster? I will tell them the truth, of course, but > in how much detail? Tell em the truth. No sense smoothing over it. But you might want to retry it one more time before telling them it's a total failure. > 5. Is there any reason I should not feel badly about this? I > thought I could do it and that it would work ok, but now I'm > feeling kind of incompetent and fearful about trying it again. What > if there's cadmium in the alloy? Why risk my health just to attempt > to please some client? There's not likely to be cadmium in the alloy, unless it's contaminated with solder manufactured since WW2. Even then, amounts will be very small, and you probably burned most of it off the first time, if there was any there. but there may be other metals there, and even with new good golds there are componants you don't want to breath, so you should always melt metal with good ventilation. Zinc fumes, flux fumes, etc, aren't good for you. I doubt your metal presents a special case in this regard. As to feeling bad, well, that's normal. But don't dwell on it. You cannot predict how unknow metal will react till you try it. Sometimes even supposedly good metal can "go south". I recently had a commercially purchased bit of 14K nickel white gold that was just terrible. We'd cast it once, which was fine, but now attempting to fabricate parts with the sprue metal, was a total failure. I couldn't even get the stuff to pour a good ingot, and I'm not exactly a beginner at this. Hollow sections, big shrinkage voids into the side, sludgy pouring characteristics. And the portions I could get to cast wouldn't roll into good metal either. I've no clue what the hell got into that melt. Something, I'm sure. But beats me what. The full ounce of that crap is in our refining bin now... Not worth the time to fool around with it. I just got another sprue button and used that, with no problems.... > 6. Is this why some jewelers don't take in old gold to recast? - Yes Peter Rowe ____________________________________________________________________ T h e O r c h i d L i s t Open Electronic Forum for Jewelry Manufacturing Methods and Procedures ____________________________________________________________________ Orchid FAQ: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/faq.htm Orchid Archives: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/archive Orchid Galleries: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/gallery.htm Invite a Friend: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/invite.htm ____________________________________________________________________ Tips From The Jeweler's Bench - Article Archive ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/tip_sear.htm The Jeweler's Selected Bibliography List ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/jewelry-books Buy Orchid Jewelry: ~ http://www.ganoksin.com/shop ____________________________________________________________________ -Unsubscribe: -Email: orchid-request AT ganoksin.com Body=unsubscribe subject=blank ____________________________________________________________________ |
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